president's campaigning on letting the rate on the highest income people go back to where it was in the clinton years, that makes sense. now some republicans are saying yeah, we may have to do that. that's the way to get a deal done. instead of the kind of gridlock we've had so far. >> now, one of the other issues is the fiscal cliff and the gang of eight meeting at mount vernon today. i know you're not one of the eight, you're very plugged in, obviously, to what they're doing. do you think they're going to be able to reach an agreement after the election and avoid this fiscal cliff? >> we have lots of people who will work real hard on this, senator baucus on the finance committee done a lot of work on tax reform and other members are, but our best hope to get something done is the group of eight, all people well intentioned. and if they can overcome the deadlock we've had on revenues so far, i think we can get a deal. the suggestion i made today is aimed at them as well as everybody else, saying hey, if we want to get a real deal, the way to do it on revenues is take all -- certainly close all